The company was founded in 1996 by brothers Mark and Lynne Zanders. Their entire C Suite should resign and they need to prove themselves. Its not difficult. This rifle is fed by a 10-round AICS-pattern detachable box magazine. This Modern Sporting Rifle is built with a carbine-length gas system with a low-profile gas black to efficiently redirect propellant gases. Maybe thats the case in many instances, but its not like the IFMA has thousands of members. Might want to rethink Ruger as well. A Rock River two-stage match trigger or even a 3-pound single-stage trigger would be a recommended upgrade. Dam I just bought a new ranger officer model.Had I know this earlier I would not have bought it. I bought 6 smith & wessons before I ever knew about the incident. The LAR-15 X-Series X-1 Rifle in .223/5.56mm from Rock River Arms is available at a manufacturer suggested retail price of $1,450.00 and $1,500.00, depending on the stock and color option (Black and Tan). My target is when my oldest daughter graduates from high school. As has been said by numerous others, that Springer I had thought about buying just got thrown under the bus. The more concentrated the producers and sellers of firearms becomes the easier it will be to controlled and monitored. I.e., Target blamed climate change on revenue misses. They ignored it. Whats the hangup for SA? With support like that, who needs Everytown? Rock Rivers AR builds are superb, and they come in at a price thats quite reasonable (starting at $1,585). I would start negotiating with one of those for manufacturing space and move my entire operation to a gun-friendly climate. Oh, hell no, he told me. Its sad but it happens. Web50%. Springfields crime here is they didnt immediately counter the IFMA when the IFMA dropped opposition to a bill. because Im sure you dont live in illinios. Hislobbyist will continue to fight and protect dealers and gun owners? I was just about to order another springfield xdm .45. Anytown on I80 feels like the Chicago area to the downstaters. Regardless of who did what,the after-effects of this deal and a legislative loss will be felt far beyond Illinois for some time to come. Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins. That is sooo repetitious! Ruger, S&W, Springfield, Rock River, Ive seen people complain about Glock and Colt, Hex Mag, and about a dozen more. No more. Find Senators and Representatives in close political battles last election and get their previously defeated opponents on board. He was busted before for bribing a Colonel on a Salvadorean arms deal. Grow the hell up and when you get some big boy panties and own your own business you will understand how it works. There are millions of people in the US who no longer think that its enough to fight and die for these rights. This is how capitalism works. Ruger was making superior quality products using totally American resources. Ben Franklin once said, If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately.. when supply cant meet demand, then the price increases.. this draws more suppliers into the market to meet demand and you see the price decrease. Most dont buy a gun thinking about selling it down the road, bit it happens. CMMG .300 blackout will become my next purchase. This rifle also has an RRA TRO-XL extended free float rail handguard and an accuracy of 3/4 MOA at 100 Yards. To address these issues, various proprietary chambers exist, such as the Wylde chamber (Rock River Arms)[14] or the ArmaLite chamber, which are designed to handle both 5.56 mm NATO and .223 Remington equally well. I dont think the current owner is going to make that same mistake although I wish they would just stop putting in that stupid lock already. Czech Republic makes good guns,like CZs. Im not ordering anything Springfield. Thats kind of where Im at as well, REALLY pissed Im not going to be buying the Socom II Ive been saving for. Springfield is DEAD to me. I have talked to people in person in TN that were overjoyed at having Beretta move there. Are they doing town halls? Is Rob Leatham going to stick with Springfield after this debacle? They are actively editing social media but refuse to address the issue. The RRA LAR-15 is a quality gun, in just about any configuration you can come up with. I think it was meant to be used with gloves on only. Great comment, but I dont think it is enough. Easy there tough guy. In fact, I own a Springfield M1A Scout Squad that they gave me free of charge after I encountered a series of malfunctions with an old SAR8. If you are willing to do 9mm, check out an Honor Guard. Damn This is turning into that mob with the torches looking for Frankenstein. WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. Just to be clear, they are using the name of the original company of Springfield, but they are not located in the city of Springfield. Apparently, John Smith isnt an advocate of the constitution or specifically the second amendment. Whats more, Larsonseems genuinely appalled by what happened. Going the other direction nobody would move. I have been casually looking at getting a 1911. For folks like me, it is no longer enough to be willing to fight and die for these rights, but to be willing to kill for them as well. We are not obligated to honor a price that is in print or an error. Yes, very disappointed. Good luck! They MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. $14.95 Per Firearm One $9.99 Charge For Any Amount of Accessories Rock River Arms earned their reputation by manufacturing some of the most accurate and reliable semi-auto rifles for the law enforcement and civilian markets. If you know youre going to lose 50% off sticker driving something new off the lot, odds are you keep looking. This is a digital day/night scope. Whats the feedback at the NRA show running like? Damn shame. Reese is a business guy, not a gun guy, as this video demonstrates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkfjwStDUUQ, At 1:02 hes pointing the XD at the host (which Leathem mentions, ?). I live in Illinois. Fight it. Your Price: $744.13. Sure, the majority will be DOA, but blue and swing states will see this get passed using this an example of good gun control that even firearms companies support. Thats a double-whammy of reduced demand in the current market. Specifications and Features: Rock River Arms AR-15 Magazine AR0116N30 .223 Remington and 5.56 NATO 30 Round Capacity Anti-Tilt Follower Proven Reliability Even cosmetologists and lawyers. As I said on Thursday, when it comes to RRA I was, and still am, unsure if they had any foreknowledge of what was about to occur. Wasnt sold on DAO until I shot it. If anyone from SAs Corporate Communications department happens upon this post, please get this in front of Dennis Reese and let him know that his actions are shameful, and that he has just traded his honor for a paycheck. LAR 8 is a nice weapon. Please, spend your money where you want. They were charging $100 for a 30 round mag during the panic. Along with lost new sales, this boneheaded move will kill resale values. Oh yes, the Senator behind the bill has many skeletons, http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/illinois-state-senator-don-harmon-law-firm-makes-millions-from-state-agencies-pension-funds-the-watchdogs-oak-park/. I have to say this really makes me mad. Especially ones outside Chiraq. AR-10-style rifles, the Rock River Arms LAR-8 stands alone. As far as the betrayal, bear in mind that it was the act of a couple of people and unfortunately there are plenty of freedom loving 2nd Amendment supporters working for SA that will be harmed by their bad judgement. Tell us more about your experience in running a business. I agree. Magpul moved to WY. We need more FFLs down here so there will be some competition. And the law mainly affecting small businesses, thats a feature, I think, not a bug. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Repeating_Arms#History. The rights of citizens that theyve agreed to negotiate away will NEVER be restored. Larson first said Rock River Arms had broken ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturing Association which is only a four member board. Come to find out the guy had paid triple for the supply to be trucked in so people could have them. If discounted to $0, maybe. Every damn one of you bad asses crying I wont buy from them again would have done the same thing. Glad I happened upon this article. The licensing fee? Smith and Ruger more than compensated for erroneous thinking. once you jump in bed with the marketing types. I ended up buying an Honor Defense Honor Guard. Very pleased with it, as it has most of the features I wanted on a CC weapon. So, if youre looking for a cheap AR-15, Rock (And I can guarantee he would never speak to me like that in person.). Springfield Armory today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. Never give one inch or miles will be lost. Bill Ruger retired from the company in 2000 and died in 2002. After Ruger (finally) gets all of its new products launched they will have just about all the bases covered. Pick something and follow it. Mostly out of states with onerous laws and heavy taxation. Only Ruger has in the past few years regularly donated millions to the NRA. WebRock River Arms Two Stage Match Trigger Kit4.5-5 lbThe RRA match AR trigger kit is designed for AR-15 and AR-10 Mil-Spec lower receivers with .154 trigger and hammer pins. But I struggle with the NEVER AGAIN WILL I EVER SUPPORT THIS COMPANY. Totally revitalized the economy of an American community with their 3rd plant. We feel that IFMAs The innovation and embracing of modern ideas weve seen the last 10yrs (MSRs, suppressors, polymer everything, etc) never would have happened under Bill. Another dealer told me he wished Springfield well. If for no other reason than as a cautionary tale to other would be future sell outs. I hope they go out of business and leave the dishonesty to our opponents. If people werent buying at these prices than there would be no market. That is only if Springfield Arms survives this. A CEO that listens to the customer. Current employees would be welcone to come along, otherwise there are many good and talented Americans looking for work. A corrupt Illinois politician. Not a nice odor. F them. Weve even got a state-centric message board/forum promoting gun rights. Last Updated. If it is a 16" it is 5.56, which the Entry Tactical is. When a big box store is competitive on price with the local gun shop, you know there is a problem. Never buying anything from springfield ever again and my one xdm is up for sale as of yesterdayI dont even want it in my safe. Thanks Springfield. RRA IS THE ONLY COMPANY THAT CAN MAKE A RELIABLE AR-10. Dennis Reeses statement to TTAGon IFMAs deal was insulting. After asking you if youd like to sign up for a membership, and cc insurance. Fuck them for gouging desperate buyers. The Springfields looked to be a good value. Join up with other interest groups if common goals can be found. That alone is enough to put them out of business. So Rock River spent at least $50.000 fund the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association. They see deep-blue Illinois as a great place toenact more of their gun control schemes. One of the few cases of sincere contrition. Probably go back to looking at CZ and Walther offerings. Low character move. That said, this just breaks my heart to see this moron Reese damage the brand. Well, said. Im not buying a damn thing from Springfield and there is NO EXPIRATION DATE ON THAT. For those who missed it, we broke the story late Thursday evening. Ive refused to buy S&W products since then, with the sole exception of a Model 640 Pro .357 Magnum, which lacks the damned thing. The bills author was (mostly) Rugers attorneys. There is NOTHING I need from a company that is obviously manipulating the system for themselves. Dont forget about the Ruger, Smith and Wesson sellout.. WebCoyote Carbine Upper Half LAR-15M .300 AAC. Now that I understand what occurred its pretty obvious as gunners we need to pass on Springfield and run to Henry. Looked at a custom SA 1911 before purchasing an STI. Antifa is showing what they are willing to do, watch their fellow komrad take a LEO beanbag round to the wang and keep marching. Had it in the cart at buds ready to buy tomorrow and now it definitely is not going to happen. Never bought anything Springfield Armory, never will! The RRAGE pistol features a 10.5-inch barrel. Down side is nobody making spare mags for it yet other than Hornor Defense. thats the one ive just stopped considering. You and your mindset are one of the problems with this country. I sent an email and their response was the parts were out of stock. Rock Bolt Gun Rbg-1s Starting At $4,450. They spent weeks trying to gin up interest in the XD-E introduction with their mysterious ads, and it was all for nothing. Its called doing business. In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved.. If you sell more than 9 guns per year, you are in the business of selling guns. Maybe the deal was the result ofa lobbyist gone rogue. They must be put out of business for their treachery. Then beg for forgiveness. Well do our part in other states to support you. How did Ruger even survive to do a turn-around? Might see if you can find one to test out. Both are were on their way to selling over a quarter million of Springfield product this year. Rock River Arms has a reputation for making high quality AR-15s, but they also have a reputation for being expensive. And now a sell out. How did the unveiling of the new pistol go? He might want to eject before the SS Springfield capsizes. You write as though weve been asleep. This was a bit disingenuous because, basically, both companies were Springfield makes decent guns but there are others out there. Im appalled that Rock River thinks that we are that gullible.. That kind of thing actually happens all the time in lobbying. Smith and Wessons deal with the Klinton regime also brought us the infamous and deplorable hillary hole internal lock. James Jeffrey, the author's friend, What flavor is it, and how much do you want? Pretty small and isolated country town. Nothing Springfield will ever be in my collection now. Some would disagree. Springfield, on the other hand, has gone silent. Please focus on customer relations and positioning strategies. Overall, this is a good, solid rifle. Hugely disappointing. I would sell the xd .45 and the xdm 9mm I already have but I dont think there is much of a market for them now. Is there a list somewhere? I used to have a TRP. Have you not been following this story? This wasnt the first time gun dealer licensing has come up in Illinois. I have a Rock River PDS carbine. They have no ethics. Initially I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but after I thought about Reeses statement, and now that Ive seen Larsons statement, I would have liked to see hecklers run Springfields employees right out of Atlanta. This just proves that point. And I believe it came with an internal lock on the main spring housing. IFMAs Keller testified in March at the Illinois Senate Judiciary committee of his willingness to consider dropping the lobbying groupsopposition to the bill if his clients were exempted. As for furniture, the BT 9 R9 Competition comes with a Hogue overmolded pistol grip and a four-position adjustable Rock River Arms buttstock. Why does anyone ever even try to work with them? With the Hillarys loss there is no longer a looming gun ban on the horizon and the firearm industry and market is facing a correction. Its transfers. Rock River Arms RRAGE Carbine LAR-15 with ATN Day/Night scope. I am still trying to figure out how best to get rid of my XD-40 and assist in flooding the market with used XD pistols. Its a freakin disaster. So how is screwing your loyal customer base and flipping them the bird to their faces sound business policy? I thought it was great that they were living in the same liberal hell hole that I was living in. WebRock River Arms LAR-15 LEF-T 5.56mm Tactical Operator AR-15 Left-Handed Rifle Notify Me When Available; Brand: Rock River Arms; Item Number: LH1278; Rock River Arms LAR15 Boom. Like a shrewd negotiator, Harmonhappily added a manufacturer and big box retailer carve-out to the bill so he couldcobble together the last few votes he needed to get it through the Senate. Here I was just falling in love with my SA 1911 Loaded. When you need mags that you can count on with each and every shot, make sure you turn to Rock River Arms! And their quality has never wavered (damn straight). As an Illinois dealer, I will no longer stock, sell or support Rock River Arms or Springfield Armory products. In my collection i have a M1A, a Socom 16, a XDM in 45 and a XDmod2 in 9mm. Other places have them for $200.00. The bills author was Dianne Feinstein (D-CA). Well, now. Made in US, SSteel frame, ambi controls, no mag safety, field strips/assembles in less than a minute with no tools or pulling trigger. Shocking I know. If signed into law, the bill his lobbyist declined to oppose will drive many dealers out of business with its onerous and expensive restrictions and requirements. Major mistake, Springfield. An M1A was at the top of my wish list that I saving for. WebRock River Arms LAR-15 Lightweight Mountain Rifle | MT1800X 5.56 NATO (223 Rem), 16" Chrome-Moly Lightweight BBL, Semi-Automatic, 6-Position Black Stock, Black Finish, RRA Lightweight, 30+1 Rds. 2) One of the Resses got caught doing something bad again, and a deal was reached to help anti-2nd forces in exchange for an investigation going away. An XD and its in .40? Never a single problem, thousands of rounds. Meaning they are NOT a legal lobbyist. Thats how capitalism works. This would appear to be financial suicide by Springfield. The Ceo needs to retire, and everyone on the upper levels canned to. And unbelievably stupid of Springfield. Not saying you have to like what happened, but its soviet Illinois, it was going to happen with or without their opposition. My time stinks apparently. Thank God we have a Rural King now here local. Id like to see Springfield make a correction here but it might be too late for that. An EMP 4 WAS the next scheduled buy.. not anymore, never again. job creation they call it (bribery is such a dirty word). Meanwhile, over at the Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. There never was a Henry fi rearms company (until 2002). 84283412342. That is amazingly Neither excuse is a proper justification. This says a lot about the people running the company. I put 3.5k rounds through it before a malfunction. See below for more information. This is going to be really bad for RRA and Springfield. Henry and Ruger get my votes for Americas Gunmakers. As far as the trigger, if the RRA has the 2-stage trigger, it is much better than the stag. Up yours Springfield! Weve got three very active groups on the ground in Illinois promoting GOTV campaigns and spreading the word. People are watching everything the government and companies are doing now. Granted, the company isnt run by a Henry these days but I thought the paper trail of ownership was fairly clear and unbroken. The lobbying group in question received money from SA and RRA back in 2014. But when you have a muti million dollar company thats set up in a state thats you cant just pick up and move then you do what you have to do to survive. Sooner or later they are going to destroy you. Gun owners have good memories, it will take a year but Springfield like Target will notice their mistake on their Revenue numbers and blame the weather, the president, insert excuse here. 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