Hope he has a wonderful time rotting and thinking about what hes done to his family. The police reports contain a conversation Chris had with his father. ShanAnn claimed to be pulling down $80,000 a year. D: Oil, water and sludge debris was found in her stomach. When people die, sudden or expected, contents of their bowels and bladder are expelled. @Lisa oh hell, if your description is an accurate one for a diagnosis of OCD, then I reckon I have it too! Watts claimed that he snapped and strangled his wife when he found her murdering the girls, but he later pleaded guilty to all three murders. I dont believe this was planned because everyone says that its ridiculous that he buried them at his place of employment. He was presented with evidence before the plea deal, and we dont know the content of those conversations. It makes the crime even more heinous in my mind because it would have required a lot of thought concerning the logistics. And that she looked at him as she died. Thankfully that psych warned me I should take the children somewhere to be safe. Straight up facts. Watts buried Shannan's body in a shallow grave and dumped his daughters' bodies into an oil tank at the oil and gas exploration site where he worked in Frederick, Colorado, US. There is a text I think to chris. Ugh. Would he have cleaned up Shannans stuff if he didnt kill them? I bet there was no conversation. But I think she had some difficulty in raising and tolerating young children. I havent seen one statement from anyone who knew her well say she did. Or after kids went to bed, and Im sure she didnt want to become an instant Mom! Your thoughts? 3. This behavior is opposed to the dignity and respect of another person. Asshole should have never been presented and damn plea deal. Some people believe his story that Shannan killed the kids like he said. Celestes stomach was empty. Its actually not uncommon. He had a plan to kill them all, all along. Just like those rare occasions where you laughed so hard you peed in your pants, you will pee and poop in the spontaneous relaxation of your muscles following death. In that sense when you learn her OCD was a significant factor, you ask how significant. Ive been reading this whole thread and as I always respect other ppls views and opinions as much as I can, there is one contributor to this conversation that thinks they know everything sigh. Otherwise I cant imagine why she didnt go for his eyes etc. She said on one video her kitchen has to be very clean, I know people that have spotless kitchens but rest of house is a mess. Also, if memory serves, CW did at least one load of laundry on the night in question. My closets and nightstand is much cleaner than hers and I dont have OCD. He doesnt have a soul!!!!! Police reportsThe oil drums where the bodies were found. I think he was doing this so she would feel comfortable when she got home, and would be able to sleep. They did not even attend the wedding and barely knew their grandchildren from what I gathered. Ive been sleeping in my bra during my pregnancy- because my chest hurts all the time and taking it off even to shower is extremely uncomfortable. "Chris Watts Just Snapped" "Why wasn't Shan'ann's body dumped into the oil tanks as well?" #Shakedown's Call on the Chris Watts Case: The Bodies were "Processed" Then he asks to talk to his dad. Required fields are marked *. She tells him youll never see the kids again he flips, kills her and poor little Bella sees it. While officers were waiting, Christopher confessed to killing Shanann, and getting rid of the bodies of Celeste and Bella. They were smothered. Jeremy Lindstromwondered if Shananns OCD and honey-do lists had gotten to Chris. But I am of course hoping that she was totally unaware in her unconsciousness. And if the girls mentioned a nikki shanann may just assume her friend. These people cant tell the truth about anything. Cuz if shed already died she would have not been engaged in the act of strangling her like he said. This is from the transcript of the Larry King Live show covering Scott Petersons conviction in the death of his pregnant wife Lacey thats Dr. Henry Lee, a forensic scientist: KING: If there were smothering, would there have been evidence? I always slept in a bra when I was in my 20s and 30s. (883931) Full autopsy reports of all 3. I am doing a project for school and i would like to have a look at them. So Chris Watts said she barely got into bed, and soshe barely got into bed? I think he snapped, pulled her off of Cece punched her in the face to knock her out and then strangled her with one hand. The reports concluded that all three victims died of asphyxiation Shanann was strangled while the two girls were smothered, according to the reports. I was 59 weighed 120 lbs, so was skinny. A tee-shirt and undies is a Sleeping Uniform for many women, another fact. The LeVel MLM was a huge contributing factor in this familys financial collapse. She had everything she needed on the ground floor kitchen for food and drink, office to make haircare purchases, bathroom and toilet and a big sofa with a huge blanket left on it as shown in the initial welfare check police body-cam footage. 53 102 comments sorted by New Add a Comment She didnt try to bite him? Meredith Kercher is a famous example. He knew that he would be at those oil tanks by himself that morning. After reading your response Im wondering if this was filled with ethanol or some similar agent. I wouldnt throw that out the window. There are FBI profilers who are trained at reading people by what they dont say & in Chriss case sometimes he says too much. I believe the DA said there was no evidence of fibers related to the smothering of Bella and Celeste. It may interest people to see how MLM companies such as Thrive, train their customers and promoters in Time and Management and Organisational skills, both of which can be classified as OCD behaviours to an untrained eye. Then I think he went into the girls rooms. Did you live with them? CeCe did not have any marks & I attribute that to her age, not understanding what was happening & Im sure she lost consciousness quickly as she had breathing problems. I dont know her daily habits, but i use mine as an alarm. It drives me batty to see little Cece kick her legs in joy in the videos and to know they were stopped forever. OCD can be like gluten-sensitivities. Dont mislead people into believing there should be feces in the location of a murder. He was photographed head to toe upon booking & was found to have no offensive wounds on him anywhere. Theres really not much to say about this, right? Back? Or even creepier, but fitting the narcissist he is, asked her to lie down and talk to him, maybe even told her he was sorry and wanted to try and work things out and then pinned her down and strangled her. For example, someone with OCD could have the thought that if they dont touch a doorknob a certain number of times an exact way, they will get a disease. Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to manual strangulation by another individual. Ive seen hundreds of bodies both recently deceased and WELL decomposed and I can assure you- while SOME bodies dedicate/urinate due to the relaxing of muscles at the time of death- its certainly not most. Page 463 I find it more comfortable & Ive always been afraid of sagging. I hope this is okay, Nick the way the financial counselor walks the wife through her options is important to understand and doesnt appear to detract from your sites mission and goals. @Kaye Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself.>>>When he murdered Shanann, how do you think he did it? Chris was photographed head to toe & didnt have one mark on his body consistent with somebody fighting for their life from being strangled. I think he came up behind her as she was getting ready for bed, after her long trip, and he put her in a choke hold then. https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_comments/trade-regulation-rule-disclosure-requirements-and-prohibitions-concerning-business-opportunities-ftc.r511993-00010%C2%A0/00010-57283.pdf. For nothing. Also zero evidence that she was in bed. His integrity shows through all the time. Even more common with pregnant women. At the end of the day there are no good reasons to commit murder, especially of ones own flesh and blood, but there may be valuable lessons to learn from figuring out how this could have happened. Do you think CW could have strangled her from behind? document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. I think Chris pretended to be asleep because I think hes a coward and wouldnt have wanted to interact with her. And dropped her in alive? would that be a normal time for Chris to leave for work? Rigor mortis lasts 8-12 hours. I wondered if there was a fight, Bella saw him strangle her mother and ran into the basement to hide from him. Scares me honestly. No evidence of cake or undigested dinner. As CrimeOnline previously reported, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time. He had a schedule and he was sticking to it. Watts was no genius, by saying he saw her kill CeCe and giving such a short timeframe for their killings, he left it wide open that they could have been saved had he called 911 or administered CPR instead of murdering his pregnant wife. I would put the blame on Chris! The graphic autopsy reports detail the condition of all three bodies after they were recovered from an oil site owned by Anadarko Petroluem, where Chris Watts buried them. Theres another case that does involve a murder by a husband on a bed, through manual strangulation, and they found small drops of his and her blood on the sheets, as well as traces of her feces elsewhere in the room. Also just because she was strangled and they were suffocated doesnt mean dirt. B . Maybe some ppl just can only take so much. I did mention that Shanann was still in love with him and wanted a child with, and wanted to work on their marriage right up until the moment of her death. He snapped and I was terrified of him. @Karen. http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, But Celeste didnt have oil her stomach. How does pretending to be asleep and cowardice align with murder? @Nick I think she was killed by a surprise carotid choke (blood choke) rendering her unconscious within 3-6 seconds, hence no defence injuries, and dead in 30 seconds at the most. He is responsible for his own actions, many people live with worse and dont kill anyone. Mechanical compression with blood vessels in the neck (as in a Stranglehold) causes a reduction in oxygenation of the brain, leading to cerebral hypoxia/ischaemia, anaerobic metabolism, and acidaemia/acidosis (similar to the effects of cardiac arrest on the brain (Longstreth 2001). Theres a very clear indicator when the children died. Good point! Hes asked what happened after Shannan was dead he says he carried her to their room and put her back into bed. Theres just too much, including motive, he wanted a life with Nicole with no disturbances. False nails like ShanAnn was so fond of wearing dont scratch skin as effectively as natural nails do they arent as sharp. He probably wanted it done quickly and in the dark so he wouldnt have to see anyones faces, anything that might make him doubt what he is doing. I dont think I know everything, but I do know more about this case than most. Hey, I appreciate ppls input but to act all high and mighty and be disrespectful of others by trying to make them look and feel like idiotsI dont care how much you know or how smart you are. Stranglehold Theory. Anyway, either you get it, or you dont. He also is the male submissive in F/m relationships. Dont jump on me buthear me bnb ot, I believe Chris. I would like to read the discovery how do I find it? It was a matter of how they were immersed in the oil. This would explain how she didnt fight! Yes, Posted Youtube videos shows that her office was messy. Never mind! Notice she was undressed when found. If the girls were dead by ca. @Nickhi, in answer to your question about the suitcase she might have been so exhausted and wanting to get to bed right away that she left it downstairs, figuring she would deal with it in the morning. Look up alcohol levels in postmortem state. The basement had everything in plastic bins all labeled & neatly stacked. Nickole called Chris several times and he kept giving different arrival times. I found nothing unusual with that part. She just laid there still because he was in such a rage? yes, that is great, there is no mention at all that there was any of the toxic mix of oil, water and sludge that was in Bellas stomach, thankyou for pointing that out Nick. Or do you believe his lies, that she harmed the kids and then he did same to her? Or look up the video of the DA talking about the autopsies. Please explain. Remember it wasnt just the suitcase downstairs, her purse was downstairs too. Actually I have a sad experience of watching both my mother and brother pass away in front of me. Kinda odd. I also think the MLM biz attracts people that are lost, and need to be directed and consumed by something. I havent finished reading the Discovery yet (just at the freaky prison fan mail/hate mail) but I havent read anything yet about any DNA testing of the sheets? The trauma dogs noted hot spots in the basement. I was VERY proud of my being able to take down the biggest man in my class. Not a chance she would have run the risk of waking up the children by going into their rooms she knew theyd be fine as shed often said Chris was a good Dad. The toxicology results likely represent decomposition and an artifact of being submerged in an oil tank for several days. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy report says. He said he didnt hurt Shannan just as much, Ive read all the transcripts. He asked one time if he should go look for his familyhe did not ask again about looking and he did not seem overly concerned, the police report said. Based on the clothing they were found in, probably Chris pretended to be asleep. Read Thomas Molletts forensic report https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. He wanted out, didnt want the baby., and took the cowards way. FACT: This was the 6th MLM that ShanAnn had been involved in she was apparently a MLM junkie. I have high praise for you, you are excellent at what you do. Powered by. Good to have a former forensic detective around. I actually have been turned upside down by this murder, and through watching over 42 hours of video, have grown to love and admire Shannan! According to the Denver Channel, Watts received three life prison terms without the possibility of parole. He kills both witnesses and the rest is history. Christopher Watts, the husband of pregnant Shanann Watts and the father of Bella and 3-year-old Celeste, pleaded guilty to killing all three in August. x, Ive said this before. She wouldnt have gone to bed without her phone. The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life.. Bella Watts Autospy Report Its in the autopsy x. Thanks! Face? Nick, have any of her docs said she had clinical OCD? If Chris *hadnt* killed them, would he have gone to so much trouble to hide the bodies? Esophagus: .. C . I actually tried this with my husband. The police reports contain several photos showing the oil drums where the childrens bodies were found. Shanann was in there with her on top of her. Chokeholds and Strangleholds are used in martial arts, combat sports, self-defence, law enforcement and in military hand to hand combat applications. He said those were consistent with trying to flee while being smothered. But hed then be a full time father leaving him not much time to galavant with NK except when a babysitter came. I really think that the pregnancy started the whole thing. Shan'ann seemed to have a fairly mild case. Time of death for all three victims is unknown. It's difficult to speculate what the norm would be in a criminal case, especially where an autopsy would need to be performed on both the mother . Thus, the little girls may have been unconscious but they were NOT COMPLETELY DEAD YET.and that is how oil got into their LUNGS !!!!!!!!! Police reportsPhotos of the Watts family in the police reports. https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/rohde-court-told-of-faeces-in-spier-hotel-room-15629834. Chris was plainly seen in the neighbors security video loading a red gas can into the back of his truck. Why does there always gotta be one of those? Thats a power-nap another thing MLM folk are good at. Theres also a serious fundamental problem with your theory, which goes to the forensics. It could be all the thrive he was taking. Read my above post. They were invited by Shannans family to attend the funerals and did not even show. He then "went into a rage," he claimed, and strangled her to death in retaliation. Along comes NK, (a pig in her own right) who rocked ol Christophers world! Where was all the money from that house? It is my observation that Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was and stomped on her head to get her into the tank. She was a nag and loved making Chris look like a fool. Do you think her phone ended up where it was because thats how and where it left her hand? He failed all 3 questions. I have always slept with a bra on and I am 43 years old, always. She wanted to be, and really thought she was, a great mom. Strangleholds require little physical strength. No traces of fecal material found, but in the Rohde case there were fecal traces. I guess since theyre children and small its possible. But the way he disposed of their bodies and took them out of school, I dont believe that at all. Its hard to fight a larger man off of you when held down, in fear of dying and trying to gasp for air. I have no insight? That seems to have been nothing but getting manicures, shopping, and making videos. Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself. I didnt know what else to do. Shed been drinking?? I think thats what she did (shed had an extra 3 hours of airport to be rid of!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE. Do you think youre asking for reasonable evidence that would be commonplace and easy to produce? Because when he called her, he said, mom, they are searching the house. Why would he say that to her if she did not have prior knowledge? The autopsy is commenced at 1030 hours, on August 17, 2018 on the body of Shanann Watts at the McKee Medical Center, Loveland, CO. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy for Bella said. I am not sure that he planned the murders. It would be good to hear your assessment of his assessment. Not sure if it is true, but I heard that the GF (Nicole) and his parents are both doing book deals! Pee and Poo Watts, who had initially reported them missing and had made a public plea for their return, was arrested as he admitted to killing them. And I doubt this person is a doctor who can just diagnose ppl he doesnt know either. he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. Why would she quit her job to be a stay-at-home mom and then put the tots right into full-time daycare? If he did it he would have killed in the same manner of death which would have been strangulation not smothering. Chris went to an oil well job site to check out it. I am shocked shes not been charged too. He did something to immobilize or pin down her arms. Anyway, this is the scenario I would paint if I were the prosecutor in the case. Usually when suffocation happens, its not only quiet but you dont see the victims face, while strangulation you see it all. A monster! However, prosecutors maintained that Watts killed his pregnant wife and the two girls, and eventually he pleaded guilty to the crimes. No screams were heard in the middle of the night. I think she was going to do what most of us who suspect our man of cheating would do, see who the server was, and go to the restaurant with a pic of Chris & ask who he was in there with. There are a lot of types online who get off on blaming victims for what others do. Do you think Shanann was the type of person to leave her suitcase downstairs and just go to bed? I tend to have the feeling ; with the way the justice system and penalties are enforced in the US .that he is probably in solitary confinement for his own protection!! Completely empty stomach contents doesnt necessarily indicate they died when Shanann died. no she was a good mom who looked after her kids! She had a separate closest for her shoes & purses. That alone speaks volumes how they were approaching their relationship. Gallstones form over a period of time, raised hormone levels in pregnancy contribute to them. There is supposed to be a black smear mark on one of her pillows, possibly from makeup she was wearing, indicating that she was crying. Please review our privacy policy here: https://heavy.com/privacy-policy/, Copyright 2023 Heavy, Inc. All rights reserved. He said Shanann said she was going to a friends house with their two kids. He tells his vindictive wife that he wants out. He is a monster. There is no sympathy for that psychopath period. 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